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Howdy. Welcome to deliciouslymad, which we have created because we spend all our time discussing del.icio.us and re-organizing our tags and talking about our systems. We sometimes do this in inappropriate places, though, so we figured we needed a community so that it's always appropriate! Specifically, we talk about how to use del.icio.us to enhance the fannish experience, so if you do that, too, please join us!

To get us started, there are a few places where we go on and on (and ON) about this, including this post and also this one here. Please feel free to check it out and join in the conversation! Alternately, just start posting and telling us all about your system, what you want your system to be like someday, or any other cracked-out ideas you might have. Think of this as the del.icio.us equivalent to one of those comms where you post all your AU crackfic plotbunnies. (Our current cracked-out ideas include the del.icio.us account of ALL FIC EVER, and... actually, it doesn't get much more cracked-out than that, does it?)

In the meantime, here is a poll. Feel free to pimp it around to your del.icio.us-loving friends.

Poll #1124778 The Are-You-As-Crazy-As-We-Are Poll

1. How many active del.icio.us accounts do you have?


2. How many inactive del.icio.us accounts do you have?

I don't remember.

3. Do you have separate accounts for personal and fandom use?


4. If you have multiple fannish accounts, is at least one of them for non-personal use (e.g., for a newsletter or an archive)?

I only have one fannish account.

5. If you have multiple fannish accounts, and if one of them is for non-personal use, do you use the same set of rules for tagging/bundling/organizing that account as you do for the personal account?

I only have one fannish account, or I have multiple fannish accounts but all of them are for personal use.

6. Do you have a System for tagging and bundling?

Yes! It's even written down. Let me tell you all about it for the next three weeks.
Yeah, but it's not formalized.
Not really. I tag things according to my mood at the time, and maybe bundle later if I feel like it.
A what?

7. Broadly speaking, how do you use del.icio.us? (Check all that apply.)

As an archive
As a holding bin
As a way to find new things to read/look at/watch/etc
As a tool (e.g., funnel for newsletter, recs posts, etc.)
As often as possible
Something else I will tell you all about in the comments

8. Still broadly speaking, how do you use del.icio.us most often?

As an archive
As a holding bin
As a way to find new things to read/look at/watch/etc
As a tool (e.g., funnel for newsletter, recs posts, etc.)
As often as possible
Something else I will tell you all about in the comments

9. How do you get things into del.icio.us?

Firefox extension
Bookmarklet (FF or any other browser)
Third-party application
Manually, through the del.icio.us site
Something else, which I tell you about in the comments

10. Have you done any del.icio.us scripting (used Delicious Glue, for example)?


11. Do you use any third-party del.icio.us apps (e.g., delicer, tagSense, etc.)?


12. If you use third-party del.icio.us apps, what are they?

13. Do you poke around del.icio.us looking for things to read?


14. If so, how to you do it?

I keep interesting people in my network, and view my network page on a regular basis (on the site or via RSS)
I know of interesting people, and I check in on them occasionally (on the site, or I subscribe to their RSS feed)
Some organic and poorly articulated method of clicking around based on who has what bookmarked, how many other people have bookmarked those things, what else they have bookmarked that I care about, and a lot of other things I can't describe very well
I subscribe to global tags, or sets of global tags
Something else you haven't thought of, but which I will be happy to tell you about in comments

15. How are we going to tag the tags?

I have thought about this extensively, and I will tell you!
I have no idea, but I can give you piles of academic research on this very topic!
Now that you mention it, that's a very good question.
...what? Why the hell do you need to tag tags?


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Jan. 21st, 2008 09:52 am (UTC)
How are we going to tag the tags?

Yes, this idea is crazy enough that it warrants excessive allcaps.
Jan. 21st, 2008 10:05 am (UTC)

Because, if we have a crazy fandom resource where everyone goes to a del account to find fic, a big part of that is going to be tagging all the tags! Otherwise how will they find fic that is in del.icio.us? Not that any fic is in del.icio.us, BUT I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
Jan. 23rd, 2008 08:28 am (UTC)
But wait!

I've been playing with subscriptions and they don't pull up the full tagging history? At least when I've been clicking on the subscriptions vs. clicking on the global tag, there is significantly less stuff coming up under subscriptions. So then using subscriptions to bundle together variables would only be good for finding more recently posted stuff, not archived, unless I'm just dumb and using subscriptions wrong?

Also, I propose for naming that we steal format from wistful_jane and do something like fandomarchive or fandomarchives. That would be straightforward and simple and transparent, wouldn't it?
Jan. 29th, 2008 06:36 pm (UTC)
Actually, I think maybe this is crazy talk (SHOCKING).

Because if we are just tagging actual places where you go to read fic, we don't need to tag any tags. That's maybe some other resource. Possibly your one-stop shopping resource for all tags ever.
Jan. 21st, 2008 10:09 am (UTC)
First we subscribe to all teh tags. Then, we label them into good label groups so all relevant tag variations come up under a single link. Then, we bookmark that link in our del account. Then we wonder why we did that. Then we ponder if we *actually* wanted to document all the various useful tag combinations, which we have now effectively hidden from use!
Jan. 21st, 2008 10:15 am (UTC)
No, see, in the description for that link, we say what tags we have bookmarked!

Then, naturally, we will have to tag our bookmark of tags.
Jan. 21st, 2008 10:18 am (UTC)
Jan. 21st, 2008 09:59 am (UTC)
I said I would talk about something in comments, I think! Um, how I get things into del is mostly with the official del extension or Delicious Complete, but I also script some things directly in when I need to test my other scripts. So I do a Python-scripted dump of links from someone else's account into my test account. IT IS GLORIOUS! (But probably you should not run around stealing other people's del.icio.us links in this way unless they know you have a reason to and approve of it? Oh, but you can take any of mine, as I rejected all forms of restrictive licensing and made them fair game for stealing.)
Jan. 21st, 2008 10:13 am (UTC)
Huh. I never even thought about the ethics of link-stealing. Interesting. I mean, because on the one hand, it's about sharing, but on the other hand, yeah, I might be kind of sad if someone took the dump of all my links and uploaded everything en masse to their account. I guess they couldn't grab ALL of them without my password (if I had more than 100, which I do), but still.

Then again, I am the same person who wrote the damn thing and then never thinks to use it, even when I am moving links from one of my accounts to another. No, no, I go through and tag everything for: and then manually save them all from my inbox. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME.
Jan. 21st, 2008 04:01 pm (UTC)
They could grab quite a few, because you can limit the json feed by tags and fetch different subsets in groups of 100.

I guess we should all be obeying each person's feed license settings? I know where to set them, and yet no idea how to see other people's. Excellent.

I should probably go back and delete things out of my test account. It is very weird that it looks like this creepy hodgepodge of links that I cannibalized from a bunch of other people.
Jan. 22nd, 2008 06:28 am (UTC)
I didn't even know there WERE feed license settings. I don't feel del is very easy to navigate if you want any information other than, I have some bookmarks let me show you them.
Jan. 22nd, 2008 05:46 pm (UTC)
Yeah, they are in https://secure.del.icio.us/settings/yourusername/bookmarks/license. (Go to settings, choose rss feed license.)

And apparently where they show up is...drumroll... IN YOUR FEED!

Also, when they show the RSS button at the bottom of the page, they also show a link to your chosen license (which I don't have because mine are Public Domain).

Edited at 2008-01-22 05:47 pm (UTC)
Jan. 21st, 2008 01:29 pm (UTC)
re: 14. I also read other people's networks; sometimes people have interesting networks full of people who I don't necessarily want in my own network, but I like the ease of being able to see them all on one page instead of tracking individual feeds/accounts.
Jan. 21st, 2008 03:55 pm (UTC)
Oh, I do this sometimes! And I also like to look at my fans' accounts, because though I haven't *quite* figured out what exactly I use my network for, so there is hardly anyone in it, people who are fans of mine generally have bookmarks that are of interest to me.
Jan. 21st, 2008 04:30 pm (UTC)
When someone new adds me to their network, I usually check them out, but I am so picky about the links that come through my network (formatting, tagging, etc) that it's really rare for me to add someone new to my own network. I have complete double standards for things I bookmark myself and the content that I want to have delivered to me. Which is why, I think, that I end up looking at other people's networks so much; I don't want things without tags or useless titles, etc, in my own network, but I sometimes want more content than I normally get.

If that makes any sense at all.
Jan. 21st, 2008 05:18 pm (UTC)
Makes total sense!

I had this thing for a while where I used my network to get only non-fannishly inclined content because I need to get *away* from LJ once in a while, and then I decided to also use it to keep track of my friends' online activity (i.e. are they still alive?) and just recently I added a single, but rather prolific, bandom related account and also atra started actually using her fandom account which totally throws me off. So now it is a strange mixture of things that I am sort of afraid to look at.

Mostly when I go looking for fanfic with del.icio.us I want to make sure I am not just exchanging the same links with the same people over and over, so I use my fans' accounts as a starting point, and then click through to *their* networks and fan out from there. It's a bit random and exciting.
Jan. 21st, 2008 08:37 pm (UTC)
So what we want is a reference del.icio.us of the possible variations of fannish tags? Hm, I don't know if my suggestion is any more sane than the rest but:

1. We start with a list of possible fandom genre: fic, art, vid, het, slash, gen, angst, etc. and all their variations.
2. We go to del.icio.us Tag page, type in the first possible tag in our list, and bookmark it to our newly created reference del.icio.us account, tagging it as search tag term, e.g. "fic". Repeat step for the rest of the possible tags terms.
3. We create a tags bundle titled "genre" and bundle all the appropriate tags.
4. We click on each of the tags we just created and type in our observations, stats, whatever for that individual tags in the notes, comparing how many links appear in Popular and how many user have bookmarked that tag. Or maybe this could go in the actual notes when we bookmarked it. Hm.
5. Next we move to individual fandoms, starting with large fandom who have a big presence on del.icio.us: SGA, SPN, Bandom, HP, etc. Do we both all the possible fandom names and pairing names tags? Or just pairing names. In any case, repeat step #2-4.

And viola, we have a reference page of all the possible fannish tags. Maybe.
Jan. 21st, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
Oh, god, another detailed comment about my del.icio.us habit!

So like most thing in del.icio.us, I have a system! For finding new things, i.e. fic. For new fandom, once I've hit all the various guides & rec lists, I go to del.icio.us Tag and type the most common fandom name/pairing name. If there are any links in the Popular page for that tag, I read those first. And then I browse the recent links, reading any that catches my interest. If I stumbled across a del.icio.us user whose name I recognize, I click on their tags & browse through their collection. Once I've exhausted their links, I move back to the recent links. Repeat & rinse.

For everyday reading kind of thing, I hit fandomdirectory's network and then my own subscriptions. If I'm logged-in, I try my own network next, but the links are usual a repeat of those in fandomdirectory's network or my own subscriptions though. If there aren't anything that catches my interest there, I move to del.icio.us Tag and Popular, searching some of my favorite tags, both those I have subscribed and those I haven't, e.g. Bandom, Bandslash, Fic, Slash, McKay/Sheppard, SPN, SGA, Harry/Draco, etc.

And that's my system: I use del.icio.us as often as possible!
Jan. 22nd, 2008 05:36 pm (UTC)
This is pretty fantastic. Like, I do some of your feeling out a new fandom things, but not regularly enough to ever do it the same way each time. And I always forget about Recent and Popular, I don't know why. (Maybe because what I *really* want Recent to be is things that were bookmarked for the first time ever in the last 24 hours, not old links that someone who napped through 2007 just discovered. Oh, how I want that!)

I love subscriptions, too, because the (poorly implemented) label system handles tag unions so nicely, but I always sort of forget about them. (Subscriptions in the new del use bundles not labels, and it's all much easier to use.)
Jan. 23rd, 2008 12:53 am (UTC)
(Maybe because what I *really* want Recent to be is things that were bookmarked for the first time ever in the last 24 hours, not old links that someone who napped through 2007 just discovered. Oh, how I want that!)

Yes! del.icio.us should have like their general popular where there's an all option and a fresh only option. *wishes*

Edited at 2008-01-28 08:53 pm (UTC)
Jan. 28th, 2008 08:57 pm (UTC)
How awesome is it that you felt the need to correct this comment FIVE DAYS later? Hee.

Did I mention that I've requested this feature? Because I have, in the Del Preview forum.
Jan. 28th, 2008 08:59 pm (UTC)
Ahaha! =P I couldn't just leave the open code there!

And yay!
Jan. 22nd, 2008 05:32 am (UTC)
I use my network fairly often, though most people I have on there are MESSY and it drives me mad. But I do find fic and other stuff that way, so... But still, I want to shake them. SHAKE THEM HARD.

I have recently taken to checking the metafandom delicious several times daily, because I like to procrastinate by reading meta and that way I get it faster than waiting for the daily LJ post.

Other than that, I don't really use delicious to find stuff much. Sometimes I'll see someone has an interesting tag, and I'll poke around in it, but that's about it.

For me, delicious is definitely less about finding stuff and more about bookmarking stuff.
Jan. 22nd, 2008 05:25 pm (UTC)
Doesn't the futility of trying to make other people post links the way you want them to make you CRAZY? I used to let it get to me so bad, but now I've gotten all Zen. Of course, I have like 6 people in my network, and they're mostly systematic so that makes it easier. :)

I want *all* newsletters to use del.icio.us. There are quite a few people who take advantage of the newsletter accounts like you do, and I think that's awesome.

Yeah, I am definitely more a bookmarker than a del.icio.us hunter, too.
Jan. 27th, 2008 08:59 pm (UTC)
So, first, thanks for the invite: nice that my obsessive tagging habit hasn't gone unnoticed!

I love delicious, it's so fantastically useful. Mine is mostly an archive for all my fic recs. (Before it was invented I had a collection of spreadsheets and it was all just very complicated!) I use my network every now and again if I'm looking for more fic, although I prefer to use other people's networks and delicious accounts to trawl through, because most people are so messy with their tagging, and it distresses me. (Yes, I am aware that this is pretty odd. :D)

I have a very set system for my tags, which works well for what I want to do, but wouldn't be all that practical on a bigger scale, as it's not detailed enough. I tag by type (fic, art, pics, etc) and then by fandom. I avoid the whole tagging by pairing issue as there's just too many for it to be neat!

del.icio.us account of ALL FIC EVER

Oh, happy place. ♥ Could be very doable too, if you start with the big fandoms and work down. Sorted by pairings? The big problem would presumably turn up when you try to get more detailed: sorting by rating and genre would be difficult, just because a lot of people don't put that sort of thing on their fics.

Um..yeah, that got a bit long. Oops?
Jan. 27th, 2008 09:21 pm (UTC)
Before del.icio.us, I didn't keep track *at all*. And then it came into my life I became all MUST TRACK ALL FIC I HAVE EVER READ. But if you still have those spreadsheets and you secretly dream about somehow moving those links into del.icio.us, well, I think catechism was thinking about a script to do that. I don't know, we are mad!

...most people are so messy with their tagging, and it distresses me. (Yes, I am aware that this is pretty odd. :D)

Ahaha, you are in such good company -- I'm sure a large subset of us here pretty much think this is totally reasonable. I have only six people in my network, and it still kind of freaks me out sometimes.

I avoid the whole tagging by pairing issue as there's just too many for it to be neat!

You are a minimalist, awesome. We don't have enough minimalists around; so far we mostly tend to tagging excess. Your voice will be most welcome, possibly you will need to talk the rest of us down from the ledge once in a while. :)

The more people who get on board with the ALL FIC EVER plan, the most I begin to suspect that later this year we will break into teams and start tackling ridiculously huge projects like this. I don't know if I should be terrified or, well, still terrified but also *grabby hands*.

We love long!
Feb. 26th, 2008 07:28 pm (UTC)
It is funny that you asked about how I poke around del.icio.us to find things to read, because I used to do it by having an rss feed of my network. Because it was so high-traffic, I would often have to mark all as read, instead of going through all the links. Recently I switched to where I have individual rss feeds of everyone on my network, so that I could better refine my fic/meta finding to ultimately get the most diversity, highest quality, a reasonable amount, while reducing redundancy and accounting for my multifannish whims of the day. It is an ongoing process. One of the things that I love though, is that in firefox I have a greasemonkey extension that will bring up the page in greader, which means I just see the page that is linked and not the tags or summary, unless they are in the preview part of the item in the feed.
Feb. 27th, 2008 08:12 pm (UTC)
Ugh, I have so much trouble with my network. It only has six accounts in it, and I still find it chaotic and overwhelming. I'm really looking forward to the new Del, which supports bundling your network, so you can group different accounts together. I don't think this grouping extends to the feeds yet, but it may in future?

I totally agree that it's a constant work in progress to effectively use Delicious to discover fresh links. I find the redundancy particularly grating. And I think I want a better way of finding people whose links interest me -- so far my system is pretty random and relies on the assumption that people who like my links will in turn be somehow connected to other people who have links I'm into. Or that people who link to things that I linked to, but that have other people counts of, like, only five, will have other rare yet awesome links.

I don't think I quite understand why this greader GM script is so awesome, but then I don't use greader much. So you don't *want* to see any tags or notes? *confused*
Feb. 27th, 2008 10:58 pm (UTC)
Oh, bundling your network sounds so useful! I had to go and look but I have 35 people in my network. I am little shocked because I know that I cut it down recently, but.

I think that it helps if you look for peoples del.icio.us who either: a. make posts about using delicious b. whose writing/meta/whatever you like or c. whose recs you like.

The greader gm script is awesome for other feeds mainly. I do and dont like seeing tags and notes. A first it bothered me because it was different and now it is a little simpler than having to look at it all and decide about the fic as opposed to reading the author notes. Also sometimes links in del.icio.ushave spoilers or whatnot. Honestly for me to click on it I had to be interested anyway, so.

(The script is so useful in a couple places: blogs/ect that dont think about how their pictures/content are placed in readers, blogs/ect that only allow partial content, on lj for people who block readers, and on lj to aviod the content notices.)
Feb. 28th, 2008 12:50 am (UTC)
I think that it helps if you look for peoples del.icio.us who either: a. make posts about using delicious b. whose writing/meta/whatever you like or c. whose recs you like.
These are all good tips. My reality though? Is that I totally fail at following my network if the people in it post too much, so my main criteria ends up being that they need to only post a couple links a day, and their notes need to be awesome and/or hilarious. And I pretty much never follow their links -- I just like to read the notes and analyze their tags. Moral of this story: I do not know what I am doing with del.icio.us. No clue at all.

Oh, spoilers in notes: so annoying. I totally understand what you mean now about the GM script -- sounds super handy in many ways. (Not to me, obviously, given my confession above, but to you, definitely!)
Feb. 28th, 2008 01:13 am (UTC)
Huh. I mean I can ignore my network or click on links, but I don't really think I could sit their and not be looking for something to read/to look at/ to laugh at.

I think I would be happier with notes if they where 2 or 3 times longer. They tend to stress me out when I try to use them for my own tagging purposes.

I am annoyed at spoilers, but then again, I understand. Because the spoiler is so often something that you remember the story for, and therefore something you would look for it by. I don't ever realy know if it is better to leave it off or not.
Feb. 29th, 2008 08:36 pm (UTC)
My network is a strange place! It used to be just to keep tabs on my close friends, see what they were up to when we were all too busy to chat, or when our sleep schedules were off-sync. But then I added in a few more people because I liked their notes, so now there is an aspect of going there just to read how other people are reacting to the links I read (because very often they are not linking me to new things -- my network likes the things I already like!). Yes, it is strange.

1000 char notes are coming. We just have to be patient. Any day now, I'm convinced. The Delicious preview site has been taunting me with them for *months* now.

I often tag with potentially spoilerish things, but try to write non-spoilery notes. I have seen people quote blantantly spoilery excepts and I just think that we can avoid that with a teensy bit of effort? But then again I spend *way* too long on my notes, so I can understand how most people prefer to just want to bookmark things quickly with the most memorable bit.
Mar. 4th, 2008 12:09 am (UTC)
Mar. 4th, 2008 12:16 am (UTC)
Argh, forgot to credit in profile page. Fixed now.

It's from thefulcrum: http://community.livejournal.com/thefulcrum/18989.html
Mar. 5th, 2008 09:56 am (UTC)
Oh, thank you!
Mar. 6th, 2008 01:25 am (UTC)
I stumbled upon you guys totally randomly but I have to now pledge my undying affection. I loves the delicious. I spend more time there then on lj these days.

I wish I had found you in the beginning and had thought to come up with a titling system before I had 500 bookmarks that I'm in the process of retitling so that they all are the same!

Edited at 2008-03-06 01:27 am (UTC)
Mar. 6th, 2008 05:44 am (UTC)
We love delicious so much it has made us CRAZY. We are so glad you could want to join in. Have fun with those titles. Um, if it helps any, I have yet to decide on my format and I've been using del.icio.us for almost 2 years now.
Apr. 14th, 2008 12:59 pm (UTC)
Introducing myself!

Am an editor in chief for two newsletters and slowly working on a way to use delicious to do all the heavy work of compiling the newsletters, so my intrepid editors don't burn out.

Also working on making my delicious archive a better fannish resource since I lurk in quite a few fandoms (over 20 at last count).

So I'm also trying to come up with a neater way of tagging and labeling the stuff I link.

Oh! I use Readeroo which is a neat little extension that quick tags links with toread and adds it to delicious.

*goes off to check out some of the other posts*
Apr. 16th, 2008 04:07 am (UTC)
Oh, del.icio.us for newsletters, my favourite thing! Let me know if you need a hand, I have several different kinds of scripts for that.

God, I think we are *all* trying to finesse our tagging. Let me know when you figure it out, eh? :)

Readeroo, I have checked it out -- looks slick and super handy. I think I'm going to try it out, because I have a toread tag, but I always for get to look at it. Maybe having a special button to pull up the things in there would help?
Apr. 16th, 2008 04:47 am (UTC)
I may just take you up on the scripts for newsletters.

I LOVE Readeroo. I can bookmark something quickly, and when I have the time, I can hit the read button and go back through the list, or just go to the tag page and look for the page in question. I use it to keep track of fic I want to read later and current research.

I shall share my path to delicious Zen. ;) {if I ever find it that is. 6400 bookmarks.}

{edited for more appropriate icon. I have an icon switcher and didn't check before posting}

Edited at 2008-04-16 04:48 am (UTC)
Apr. 16th, 2008 05:43 pm (UTC)
I am going to be working with metafandom soon to update their script, but when that's done how about I shoot you an email so we can work on yours? (One of my personal yet ludicrous goals is to convert every fandom newsletter to using del.icio.us -- then ALL OF FANDOM will be tagged. And then who knows WHAT we could do with all that del.icio.us data?!?)

I think Readeroo could be magic for me! It even has options for private tagging, which is a must because my toread list is always going to be a chaotic disaster unfit for public consumption.
May. 16th, 2011 05:23 am (UTC)
Hi, I'm new and looking for newsletter output scripts for Mac (snow leopard). I use diigo for my primary one now, but it would be nice to have delicious->livejournal for my listing. Any advice?
Jun. 1st, 2011 07:20 pm (UTC)
Hi! I have had your comment in my inbox for weeks now, but my work was totally wild in May and I had to stop sleeping a few times but now I have a breather. So the way I usually do Delicious->LJ newsletter scripts is to host them online, mostly because then no one has to install anything and also so that for multi-person teams, the script just needs to be updated in one place and no one ever ends up using an old version accidentally. I have found that every newsletter out there uses different formatting, different grouping, different... everything, so I usually work with someone to make a custom script just for their purposes.
Jun. 2nd, 2011 01:59 am (UTC)
that makes sense, though with just me and starting a new system, I hope I have lightweight requirements. So... if you're offering, I will happily take you up on it, but please don't feel obligated.
Jun. 2nd, 2011 02:11 am (UTC)
You bet I am offering! Just shoot me an email (verymurklins at gmail dot com) with info about whether or not you already have a Delicious account set up for this newsletter, and if so, what the account name is, and also all the details of how you'd like your newsletter links to be formatted. Just tell me what you envision, and I will let you know what is possible and what is not and we will go from there.
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